For over a decade the words "believe it when we see it" have often been used when referring to new material from Guns N' Roses.
Now however, reports from America suggest a release date has been decided.
Rolling Stone claims that 'Chinese Democracy' is to be out on November 21, which suggests, if true, we could have the record on November 20.
This is yet to be confirmed by either band or their label, however the story is spreading fast around the net.
Guns N' Roses do have a series of US dates scheduled for the end of November, which might suggest there's something in this latest rumour.
That said, we'll believe it when we see it etc etc etc...